You are looking at some very good schools. -Barnard is an excellent school with an excellent education (By the way, I didn't go there.) In other words, about $100K more in total debt to attend Fordham. Columbia is certainly the highest ranked of the schools. Fordham University School of Law (commonly known as Fordham Law or Fordham Law School) is a professional graduate school of Fordham University.The school is located in the borough of Manhattan in New York City, and is one of eight ABA-approved law schools in that city. Personally, I never had to worry about getting into Fordham, yet it was the only NYC school I applied to (not a fan of NYU, even though I'm above their 75th percentiles, and I probably couldn't get into Columbia and it didn't fit me anyway).,
My advice would be to rely less on a school's reputation and more on its fit. Personally, I thought the location is fantastic and the feel of the place is electric. Posted by 4 years ago.
There are very few people in the Ivy League world who do not know what Barnard is. :),
I love Fordham and think it is a great admissions deal for those who want a selective university. If you're happy, you'll be successful wherever you are. The school has a nice urban campus and from what I hear from friend's kids there are great students and faculty. Who ever said that NYU has the worst FA was not kidding. Law school choice: Cardozo vs. Fordham. When my S walked onto Fordham's campus, saw the students, heard about the programs, he just knew it was the right place for him. [quote] So if you want a job in investment banking for example, then go to NYU Stern otherwise go to Fordham or Columbia. Then it comes down to who you ask. Also, I completely agree with BillyMc - find a school you want to be at. When NYU is known, I tend to observe two sharply different attitudes. These words describe the people you’ll meet at Fordham Law School. But he just liked Fordham's Theatre program, Jesuit education and feeling of community better. 88.4k. Fordham full ride or Columbia at sticker. Probably going to need other info to give you good advice. It's a great choice.,
I have had the pleasure of attending both Fordham and NYU and I can tell you they're both great schools. My chem teacher is still paying off his debt to this day after. Either the person feels that it's a really great school (the "dream school" reputation) or the person has little respect for "a school made up of a bunch of scattered buildings that puts people into massive debt for an overrated education." Students accepted to Columbia, Barnard and NYU would likely be offered a substantial merit scholarship at Fordham and would be at the top of their applicant pool. Fordham Graduate School has more expensive graduate school tuition of $35,289 than Gallaudet Graduate School ($18,166). -Barnard is not well known in NYC,
Fordham is an excellent university with a reputation that keeps growing every year. Use it to compare your profile to others by checking on individual user names. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the lawschooladmissions community, Continue browsing in r/lawschooladmissions. Here is what I know. Its more than 17,000 active alumni practice in all 50 U.S. states and in 75 foreign countries. This was important to me for recommendation letters which I still have written by my English professor from freshman year at Fordham. Fordham is similar, though I haven't heard anyone bad-mouth it like I have for NYU (of course, NYU has a lot of press for the worst financial aid and highest debt).,
Of course, most people will compliment you on whatever university you go to, as that in itself is an accomplishment (especially getting into any of these). Good luck.,
There are very few people in the Ivy League world who do not know what Barnard is. NYU's class sizes range from small to semi-large and it is still possible to get to know your professors and they do remember your names so you're not just a number to them. is not from New York as I was rather surprised that most he knows never heard of Barnard. That being said, he has friends who are happy at NYU. I also got into Columbia, and had the 'lesser school at full ride vs Columbia at sticker' debate. The subreddit for law school admissions discussion. Big difference in admission standards, not nearly as big a difference in job placement or internship opportunities. What follows is the transcript of a conversation between a student, Amy, and one of our Admissions gurus, Dave, regarding Amy's choice between Cardozo and Fordham. Cardozo, which results in $90K debt total. Good luck! The vast majority of people are not "in the Ivy League world." Close. Fordham Graduate School is larger with 6,870 graduate students than … ......And I can tell you beside the Ivy League world, Barnard's stellar reputation is well known in the academic world, as well as in the New York City area, and to employment recruiters -- and that's where the jobs are. For NYU, it depends on who you talk to, whether they feel it's great or not. Maybe not as much as NYU but you will have very little debt (relatively). At a rough estimate of $1200/month x 10 years for every $100k in debt, that's ~$2500/month for 10 years, on top of whatever you need to live on. If you're premed don't even think about attending NYU because it's not worth the money. It has been accepted for inclusion in Fordham Law Review by an authorized editor of FLASH: The Fordham Law Archive of Scholarship and History. Help with law school personal statements, application requirements, and admissions chances. That said, it really, really is about the fit, and the only way to know that is to visit for yourself! 1) Location: Zicklin is in Manhatten vs Fordham at Bronx. It just doesn't have that feel of having a unified campus and close knit student body that my S was looking for. It is a top notch lac with a most impressive alum base. And for the parents here, my mom wanted me to stay at Fordham for one more year and I should've considered it so if your kids start talking about transferring, refer them to this thread.,
I am sure you know that almost all sources would rank Fordham below Columbia, Barnard and NYU and above Pace or Manhattan Marymount. Fordham Law Review If you go with NYU, you'd have to ask are you really going to make enough money as a IP lawyer at a big firm to be able to pay off your loans and maintain a reasonable standard of living for the next 10/20 years? This Article is brought to you for free and open access by FLASH: The Fordham Law Archive of Scholarship and History.,
I applied to all of them..still waiting on doomdsday (April 1st) but just curious to see other's opinions on Fordham's reputation ?,
Columbia, as one would assume, has the best reputation of the lot. Curious, creative, and committed to the craft. class. Big difference in admission standards, not nearly as big a difference in job placement or internship opportunities. Do I think I would be happy here? I would only suggest to attend NYU over Fordham if you plan to go into a business related career. January 9, 2019 0. My S STRONGLY considered attending and I think he could have done very well there. But in my mind, the best thing you can do is to visit any school you get into and are considering. Brooklyn Law School brooklyn: Compare: Columbia University columbia, cls: Compare: Cornell University cornell: Compare: CUNY cuny-queens, city university of new york: Compare: Fordham University fordham… Press J to jump to the feed. One of the biggest regrets of my life. Gallaudet is located in Washington, DC and Fordham is located in Bronx, NY. The following is a list of applications to Fordham Law School.Use it to compare your profile to others by checking on individual user names. If you can get into Columbia you absolutely have the numbers to go to a lower T-14 with a near-to-full ride, which is far better than Fordham for free. If you get into Barnard and don't mind the all-girls aspect, it is also a fine choice. But Jesus, it's a risk. [quote] I'd go Fordham at full ride. #20 in Highest Tuition. I believe that can be agreed upon. The Davidson Wildcats will try to keep pace with the leaders in an airtight Atlantic 10 race when they host the Fordham Rams in a Wednesday matinee at John M. Belk Arena in Davidson, N.C. -Barnard is universally unknown The Cup also honored the thousands of others who lost their lives on September 11. She and her husband are happy she has no debt. Why isn't Cornell at a major discount in the discussion OP? And, if you had a B average in high school, even if you're admitted to Fordham, you're certainly not getting any merit money and you might not even get much financial aid (like most private schools, Fordham is not "merit-blind" when distributing need-based financial aid, if that makes sense).,
U.S. Admissions is competitive and Fordham offers merit money to attract the brightest. May affect if you don't wanna live in Bronx, or Manhattan or minimize your travel time etc. Those far away from NY tend not to feel strongly about the school, but those who know of it tend to say good things. The older one got into every medical school she applied to, and decided to go to Emory on a Woodruff scholarship that paid all tuition. We also have offices in Ohio that advocate for better education for Buckeye State children, as well as authorize a … It may be a geographic thing. With that said, which school is "better" depends on what you want to do after college. Fordham, which results in $195K debt after the $35K per year is applied. Best wishes and future happiness, PopTart!,
@BillyMC: "Columbia, as one would assume, has the best reputation of the lot. Fordham is actually 3rd or so from the top of the list in A+ schools for B students. is not from New York as I was rather surprised that most he knows never heard of Barnard. NYU is ranked higher than Fordham, but when I visited with my S he felt that NYU wasn't what he was looking for in an undergraduate school. Below is a graph of Fordham Law School applicants by LSDAS GPA and LSAT score. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Sorry, but it is. It's not as well known as Columbia, which is all I was saying.,
Your username is "7Sisters," which I believe refers to either the Pleiades or (given the nature of this website) a group of women's colleges, so your experiences may not be average.,
......And I can tell you beside the Ivy League world, Barnard's stellar reputation is well known in the academic world, as well as in the New York City area, and to employment recruiters -- and that's where the jobs are. Oh boy, this is not easy at all! #1 in Private Sector Salary. Class Profile,
Sandkmom I got that from U.S news. (Full disclosure: my son was accepted EA, and Fordham is on his short list.) Columbia Law School Applicants The following is a list of applications to Columbia Law School. For those with top drawer stats, merit awards abound. Hence, as I said, it comes down to who you ask. There's many students at Fordham who turned down offers at much higher ranked schools (there's even a decent amount every year who turned down the ivies or other top 20 universities). Add in a bare minimum CoL (ie, assuming no rent, but you have to pay for food, entertainment, etc), and you're looking at $200k in debt. Fordham, NYU and Columbia are three completely separate private universities that just all happen to be located in NYC. Fordham Baseball vs. Columbia. He is in his late 20s early 30s but suspects to be paying them back until the right whole age of 50. Sit in the cafeteria and just listen and look. Law is often a rankings game, and Fordham comes in at #37 whereas Cardozo is #74. This complete guide analyzes both the quantitative and qualitative differences between NJIT and Fordham University.This comparison is particularly valuable at understanding the cultural nuances between the colleges since it uses student videos to capture the “vibes” of campus - these videos are exclusively available on CampusReel :) Fordham compared to other top NY schools . Columbia however their FA is based on how much your family could afford giving them one of the most generous FA of any school. Basically if you plan on attending the college of arts and science at NYU, DONT. But Fordham is not just a good school full of mediocre students (as this ranking may suggest). NYU and Columbia have billions in endowment, Fordham and St. John’s do not. Explore facts and stats about our latest J.D. He has never regretted his choice. ... Help with law school personal statements, application requirements, and admissions chances. Wait a year and reapply. Are the kids happy?
Its business school is actually very good and the job placement for Fordham graduates is similar to NYU's. Fordham Law is tied for #1 in terms of the median starting salary among graduates working in private practice as law firm associates ($180,000). My daughter didn't even apply to Columbia (though it was definitely a reach) because when we visited, it just didn't seem like she would fit in. And most people I've known in FL and NJ (through conversations about schools in NYC) have either not known about Barnard or not known a lot about it (women only, ties with Columbia).
No offense, but you are seriously misinformed here.,
I have seen that US News list, but it appears to be pretty outdated at this point. Do I feel I belong here? Well, while Fordham and St. John’s are of Catholic origins, Columbia and NYU have long been non-sectarian. [quote] All 3 offer great work experience opportunities by virtue of being in NYC.,
Fordham has always been a very good school, but it's rep during the last few years just keeps getting better and better. ... and Social Service, and the School of Law. I'm pleasantly surprised!,
I agree with the other posters that the fit is most important and I just can't understand why anyone would choose a school based on what other people think! Throughout its more than 100-year history, Fordham Law has become one of the largest and most respected law schools in the nation. The Wildcats (8-5, 4-2) sit in a tie for fifth in the conference standings but are just a half-game behind the co-leaders, St. Bonaventure and UMass, which are both 4-1 in the A-10. These are the options... what do you think? (By the way, I didn't go there.) My guidance councilor wanted me to apply to Fordham but I didn't as I already applied to 12 schools. Fordham I have no idea about what their FA usually is. So i guess it comes down to what you like and what type of college environment fits you.. We display data in an easy to understand format, save … If you got a bone to pick go to them,
yeah I saw that ranking and it is a little misleading. If you can get into Columbia you absolutely have the numbers to go to a lower T-14 with a near-to-full ride, which is far better than Fordham for free. It should be, it's far better than your two currently listed options. She loved NYU and Fordham though. Fordham vs. Columbia at Jack Coffey Field, 2015. CoA, career goals, geographic preference, etc. Columbia is a reach for everyone and it does look impressive to have it on your resume. There is absolutely no substitute for seeing the schools yourself. We have the best recruitment in the city and they open up doors for you to companies like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. If you really knock it out of the park, try to transfer after a year, and maybe get money? Because of the sheer number of businesses and law firms within the area, Fordham law school has been able to … Note that I didn't say Barnard was unknown; note that I said it was not as well known as Columbia. But, the fact that it does not have a medical school anymore, nor nursing program, engineering programs are the reason why it ranks lower than NYU for example in my opinion. The Rose Hill campus is an enclosed traditional place that is lovely. NYU I'm sure is a fine school and I would be happy to send my daughter there, but for me it seems like it places a heavy emphasis on marketing itself ... almost like its an obvious private business venture. Academics a good, the student life is great, the location gives students access to NYC easily. For more information, please contact firstname.lastname@example.org. Columbia Law School students come from all backgrounds and walks of life. The HS average for Fordham accepted students is now an A-. In the end, picking a college should be more about personal fit than ranking. How to get into American and Canadian law schools. @BillyMC: "Columbia, as one would assume, has the best reputation of the lot. Transfers ~never get money, and any advice that includes the phrase "try to transfer" is just, on it's face, bad advice. All great schools and had Fordham had engineering and med school it would have ranked on par with NYU i'm certain about that.,
The top three schools in NYC as I see it are Columbia, NYU, and Fordham. I'm sure that there are some who think that NYU and Barnard are for kids who couldn't get into Columbia and Fordham is for kids who couldn't get into NYU but you really should decide for yourself after thoroughly researching the programs you are interested in and visiting. Even if you somehow get cost of living covered, Columbia at sticker is $180k in debt. Fordham is great when it comes to class size because you really get to know your professors and establish a relationship with them. Visit. Most I know have never heard of Barnard, but its close ties to Columbia make it an excellent school. -Barnard is not as well known as Columbia,
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The worst I've heard said is that the Bronx is a bad area; not as many people know about Lincoln Center, but seem to think that a Fordham campus in Manhattan sounds great.,
So Columbia obviously has the best reputation, and Barnard will have a high reputation among those in the know (not nearly as many, though). Fordham Law ranks #20 in terms of highest tuition among full-time law students ($60,406). Is that enough? Good luck.,
I agree with happy1. Yes, look at it logically and monetarily, but please don't discount your gut feel. An interesting question. You can also sort the table by LSAT, GPA, Status and important dates relevant to Fordham Law School. A global community for prospective LLM students, and a directory of over 700 law schools and counting. Sure, it's possible to get into Fordham if you had a B average in high school. (Data as of September 30, 2020, … The School is committed to diversity and inclusion. Maybe you want that BigLaw job, and you want to pay it with 80 irregular hours. The people at NYU are also a lot less friendly than Fordham. Again, thats just my impression of the school. I'm now going to the University of Scranton were depending on my situation I will transfer to Fordham if accepted. I attend the Stern School of Business and to be honest, Fordham can't compare to it. It may be a geographic thing.. Archived. You can view those who applied to Fordham Law School that were accepted, waitlisted, and rejected as well as filter by cycle and type of applicant (URM, International, Non-traditional). Top 50 Law Schools So, you rocked your college grades, steamrolled the LSAT, impressed/conned/bribed your professors into writing outstanding recommendation letters, crafted the perfect law school resume, and rounded out all of that perfection with an ideal theme for … In NY NY firm hiring goes (Harvard, Columbia, Yale, Cornell, Fordham) and in NY it is highly ranked…. NYU really has no campus and has buildings spread over a section of the Village. NYU has done a tremendous job marketing itself over the years. Ask yourself: Could I see myself here? Personally, I went to a Jesuit University (and so did my wife) and appreciated the core Liberal Arts curriculum and the emphasis it placed on ethics and integrity. You can get an equally good if not better education at Fordham for a lower price. Students accepted to Columbia, Barnard and NYU would likely be offered a substantial merit scholarship at Fordham and would be at the top of their applicant pool. Whether your interest lies in international or corporate law, public interest or government, gender and sexuality law, or another area of study, a Columbia Law School education will support your goals and prepare you to lead the way.. Immerse yourself in a rich, progressive curriculum focused on today’s most complex legal and social challenges, and learn to use the law as a tool for change. Join us as Fordham baseball takes on Columbia University. If you get in, they have the program you want and you can afford it, I can't imagine not going. -Barnard is very unknown by employers A male friend of mine in NYC asked me if Barnard would be a good school for him to apply to... And he's a very good student (though he'll be going to Julliard for music).,
Things I DID say: Kim Simmonds P.s- the International Business and Trade Law program at Fordham is really excellent..if you do chose this program take Professor Moore's classes ... Columbia, Penn, Harvard etc. George Washington University Vs Fordham University; GWU vs. Fordham Compare two graduate schools with tuition, enrollment, programs, and more academic characteristics. You can also sort the table by LSAT, GPA, Status and important dates relevant to Columbia Law School. But, again, I wonder how much of that is trendiness and, besides, the LC campus may have a similar feel to it if an urban experience is what you are after.,
I thought for sure this would end up to be another bash Fordham thread bc it's lower ranked than the other schools! Most I know have never heard of Barnard....". Then it comes down to who you ask. I have two daughters. I'll guess Billym. Fordham is actually 3rd or so from the top of the list in A+ schools for B students. 1. Then it comes down to who you ask. Like NYU and Columbia, one of the key selling points of Fordham Law School is the accessibility to many opportunities regarding work within New York City.
just wondering where Fordham stands compared to other Top Notch schools in NY, namely, Columbia (& Barnard for females, like me lol) and NYU. 1 post • Page 1 of 1. Well, you really need to look at the program you are interested in and visit to determine if you feel like you could be happy there...people HAVE turned down higher ranked schools before for various reasons! I have seen many reactions of both kinds, though the positive seem to stem from it being New York University; the world cultural capital has a big name, so any university bearing that name is seen in a similar manner by many.,
When it comes to Fordham, those in NJ and NY seem to have universally good opinions of it (if not as high as Columbia); among Catholics, its reputation is also high. I'll guess Billym. I'm not sure if a lower T-14 "near to full ride" is better than Fordham for free if OP is dead set on working in NYC area. OR. There may well be some students with a HS GPA in the B range but there are also plenty of A students who chose Fordham for a variety of reasons. I can't imagine that going to Fordham would give you an advantage in transferring to NYU or Columbia compared to any other similar university. The Thomas B. Fordham Institute and its affiliated Foundation promote educational excellence for every child in America via quality research, analysis, and commentary. LSData is a research tool for law school hopefuls and an automated status checker for law school applicants. The Liberty Cup was instituted in 2002 to honor alumni from both schools who were lost in the attacks of September 11, 2001. 2) Fees: I believe CUNY is a lot cheaper than Fordham, which means - given the unwillingness of companies to hire Internationals - you may want to invest as less as you can to maximize your ROI. Fordham University data overview: tuition, debt, salaries, enrollment, lawyer jobs, bar pass rates, and more. Fordham gives you a decent shot at IP law in NYC.
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